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9 11
KT,
I know what you mean, but if God continues to bless us the way He's been doing, soon we won't have any skyscrapers left.
We're in bad shape. This president and his secretary of defence have jailed our marines on trumped up charges. Others have been prosecuted and sent to jail for doing to the terrorists what had to be done. We dare not bring up the topic of deportations of ethnic middle easterners (and I don't necessarity mean muslims only).
I cannot stand to even see the trailers for 9/11 themed movies. I want vengeance, justice and closure. I want to be able to walk onto a plane without having to take off my shoes or throw away my baby's juice bottle. When my life returns to normal, then show me your stupid movies. Now is time for war, not entertainment.
It's been 5 years and Bin Laden is still at large - that's all I need to know about the ineptitude of our leadership and the imbicility of our electorate.
I better stop - I see this was posted on "Site Chat", not "Pointless and Hostile".
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WW,
1) "Our troops are in terrain they have NEVER been in before"
Our troops never saw the south pacific until the WWII either, and they did just fine.
2) "Liberals do NOT want to see a Major Troop Build up in Afghanistan"
Liberals do not control the presidency nor both houses of the legislature. The buck stops with the leadership. I don't want to hear any more excuses about liberals. Bush is the commander in chief, he just acts like a woman.
3) "Bin Laden is worthless as compared to his infrastructure"
Bin Laden is a symbol far more important than his infrastructure, what IS bin laden's infrastructure, by the way? He's got none - his weapon is islamic fundamentalism and he's the fundamentalists' profet. Kill the prophets, the followers will scatter.
4) "No Magic Crystals that some President Elect can throw up in the air"
Don't need no majic crystals. We have neutron bombs for that. We could have eliminated Bin Laden with minimal collateral damage (100K - 200K people at most) if we nuked the mountains where he was hiding in the aftermath of 9/11.
Anyway, had you been in charge, I know things would be different. Loyalty to command is sure a good thing, but being a citizen is different from being a soldier. We're the management (supposedly), let's clean house.
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The US lost around 500,000 military (?) between end of 1941 and 1945 and won the war in the Pacific. Great sacrifice, no two ways about it. Like you said, the country was united behind the cause.
Russia lost 27 million between mid-1941 and May 1945. By most conservative estimates that number is at 22 million, that includes civilian deaths. That's 15 THOUSAND DEAD russians EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT. Can you fathom that loss? But that's what it took to take care of Hitler.
When there's a will there's a way. When there's no will there's G.W. Bush. He won re-election despite the "unpopular" war; that should have told him to use all means necessary to eradicate the threat. He had the mandate and he squandered it being an appeaser and deal-maker that he is. There are no checks in balances in the military. He and Rumsfeld have full authority. He just chose not to use it to the best interest of Americans and our troops. He's too afraid that "world leaders" won't invite him to the cool parties at Davos or the G8 summit. phony...
And I could't give a flying hoot about what other countries think of the US, they hate our guts already.
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WW,
I used "unpopular war" in quotes. I meant it sarcastically. There should be a symbol of some sort on my keyboard for sarcasm. I meant to say that Bush needs to grow a pair and fight this war like a man not a sissy that he is. You ask me why I hate Bush? I resent him because he portrays himself like a tough guy but when it comes to making tough decisions, he folds. He shows his weakness and the animals we're dealing with only understand strength. The ONLY way to earn the respect of these animals is punish them with all brutality that we're capable off. Bush is undermining our security by not authorizing the measures that need to be taken to eliminate the islamophascist threat. If he was a Dem, I couldn't care because that's the low-life slime they are, but he is supposedly a conservative and I have no other option in general elections but to vote republican and that's why I'm mad.
Can you defend the following actions by the Bush administration:
1) jailing and procecution of our military for alleged mistreatment of terrorists
2) failure to abliterate terrorists havens like Faluja, Bacuba and Naj when these were presented as such
3) failure to eliminate al-Sadr when he challenged the US authority in Iraq
4) failure to catch Bin Laden and employ all means necessary to do so (even including the invasion of Pakistan)
5) failure to close the borders
Don't explain these failures away - they are simply shows of weakness under political pressure. Neither of these could have been stopped by ACLU, so let's stop blaming the libs. The only lib we have to worry about is the one in the white house.
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Ann,
You're just on target. Descent is the whole reason to have a discussion; what a boring existence it would be if there was no one to argue with. Most of our arguing is done for entertainment's sake anyway : )
WW,
I listed 5 failures (not accusations, but real lack-of-leadership-type failures) in the last post on page 2. Your general comments did not address these points. You mentioned something about needing to have political consensus to be able to achieve things. Neither of the things listed by me were/are subject to political process as they could have been accomplished with a simple command.
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